Gatsby phishbowl #2: chapters 4-5

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Anonymous said…
I feel like the change of weather symbolized how they "warmed up" to one another.
Anonymous said…
Using, Daisy and Gatsby's relationship, Fitzgerald shows the importance of lost love. Even though they have not seen each other in a while, she still have feelings for each other. This shows how their love is more special than other relationships we have seen so far. Especially Tom and Daisy, as they do not seem to have the same excitement for each other that Daisy and Gatsby do.
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The other significance of the weather is that when it is raining outside, it feels more private and isolated inside which relates to how personal a moment this was. It was so private that pour narrator wasn't even there.
Anonymous said…
@ Nicole - I don't feel like the weather symbolizes them warming up to each other. I think rather it represents how they feel individually. I think that weather has a lot to do with mood and tone, and Fitzgerald is using weather as a catalyst to set the tone of the story.
Anonymous said…
The idea of lost love connects to Fitzgerald's own life when Fitzgerald lost the girl of his dreams because he was not wealthy enough to marry her. This shows Fitzgerald's beliefs and importance that he places on setting social status aside and finding true love at all costs.
Anonymous said…
Which character do you think represents Fitzgerald himself?
Anonymous said…
One thing that I found interesting in the reading was Gatsby's interactions with people and objects. He has this big house and fancy car, but it doesn't seem to be for himself. He holds the parties to have happy people in his lonely house. When Daisy sees him house for the first time, Fitzgerald says "he revalued everything in his house according to the measure of response it drew from her well-loved eyes" (92). He uses these possessions as almost a buffer to the world, but really the only thing that he wants is Daisy and her love.
Julia B said…
To answer Hannah's question about the weather, I think it shows how there is a shift between Gatsby and Daisy's mindsets. The rain symbolizes how both have felt grey and sad apart from each other, but as they reunited and spent time together, the sun appeared in their minds and they felt happiness again. Fitzgerald quotes, "Daisy's face was smeared with tears, and when I came in she jumped up and began wiping at it with her handkerchief before a mirror. But there was a change in Gatsby that was simply confounding. He literally glowers; without a word or a gesture of exultation a new well-being radiated from him and filled the little room" (76). They both realized what they had been missing in the past years, and it suddenly made them feel joyful and like a new being.
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Anonymous said…
@nicoled2021 Fitzgerald seems most similar to Gatsby because he lost his "Golden Girl" and decided to fill his life with unimportant things like parties and houses and cars.
Kristin A. said…
This question is from Kate Scadden: Do you think there’s more of a reason why Gatsby is telling Nick about his life other than to get closer to Daisy?
My answer is that Gatsby knows that his peers spread all these dramatic, negative rumors about him. He tries to not let it affect his confidence and puts up a front that he doesn't care about other people's opinions of him. But this quote, “‘Well I’m going to tell you something about my life,’ he interrupted. ‘I don’t want you to get a wrong idea of me from all these stories you hear’” (Fitzgerald 65) suggests that he finds quite a bit of his self confidence in other people's views of him. So getting closer to Daisy is not his only motive in telling Nick about himself, he also feels the need to clear his name.
Anonymous said…
@Kat I feel like she started crying more cause she saw how much more Jay appreciated nice things than Tom, who only wears his riding stuff. It's like she's seeing what she could have had.
Anonymous said…
@Nicole I think that the personalities of both Gatsby and Nick represent Fitzgerald. Gatsby could represent a flashier part of Fitzgerald as Gatsby pursued and showed off wealth to impress someone he loved, very similar to Fitzgerald. But then Nick could show a quieter more shy part of Fitzgerald personality.
Anonymous said…
About the shirts, I think that Gatsby greatly cares about how he appears to others (mostly Daisy) because of a deep insecurity that he might not be good enough. I think Daisy's reaction could be symbolic of her not realizing how beautiful life could be with someone else.
Julia B said…
Answering Micah's question about the empty space, I think he mentions this to give Daisy the hint that he has been feeling lonely. Gatsby ultimately wants Daisy back, and I think he tries to mention it in a subtle way, without seeming selfish.
Anonymous said…
Gatsby is portrayed as a mysterious and dangerous man but Fitzgerald proves this to be untrue when he falls in love with Daisy. "'Where are you going?' demanded Gatsby in immediate alarm... He followed me wildly into the kitchen, closed the door, and whispered: 'Oh, God!' in a miserable way" (111). Fitzgerald argues that all humans are vulnerable and this becomes more evident when one falls in love.
Anonymous said…
Answering on of Kate's questions "The way Nick says that everybody knows Gatsby’s car is interesting. Do you think Fitzgerald used the car as a symbol of Gatsby? How is Gatsby’s car similar to him as a person?"

I think people view Gatsby as this perfect, flashy, interesting person. They seem more likely to admire from a distance than to get to know him. The car doesn't blend into the New York traffic and is a new, exotic thing to talk about rather than get close to.
Vince I. said…
To answer one of Kate S's questions, I agree that green in this book symbolizes money and wealth. I believe that Fitzgerald uses green to express money and wealth and its power in society. Money rules the lives of people in this story as well as the real world. Everybody needs their money to live the way of their living. For example, the Buchanans inherited their wealth, and without that, they wouldn't be able to live they are.
Anonymous said…
@ Julia I think that you might be onto something with that. It would be bold for Gatsby to come on strong to Daisy, he may be using that to subtly let her know.
Anonymous said…
My question was what is Gatsby's job now? He keeps getting phone calls about stuff and was going to offer Nick a job. What is that job?
Anonymous said…
@Julia B
I think the weather not only symbolizes the shift of the mindset of Gatsby and Daisy, I think it also can relate to Nick and his understanding of the situation. Up until this point, Gatsby has been a mystery to Nick and when the rain stops and the trio go to tour Gatsby's house, the metaphorical clouds in Nick's mind clear. He begins to understand Daisy more too and notices how happy she could be with someone other than Tom. And when Nick leaves Gatsby and Daisy he steps back into the rain, leaving them as a mystery to him once more. "I looked once more at them and they looked back at me, remotely, possessed by intense life. Then I went out of the room and down the marble steps into the rain, leaving them there together." (Fitzgerald 122)
Anonymous said…
I feel like the car represents how Gatsby is on the outside, but i feel like his inside is still hidden, whereas you can easily see inside the car. "The friends looked out at us with the tragic eyes..." suggesting that the windows aren't tinted and can easily be seen into
Anonymous said…
In answer to one of Mollie's questions on the document...
Why do you think Daisy started crying because she’s “never seen such-such beautiful shirts before”? Do you think that’s the real reason she started crying?

I think Daisy is crying over the shirts because Tom has never put that much effort into clothing or spent much expense on Daisy. It shows that she is partly heartbroken over her current marriage and that Tom does not put on ‘nice’ clothes for Daisy nor does he show care for her more fine interests. Daisy pretty much forgets about Tom while in Gatsby’s presence and she acts to forget him when she is not within his presence. “ “Who is ‘Tom’?” she asked innocently”(Fitzgerald 106).
Anonymous said…
@ NIcole your comment about windows makes me go back to the idea of vulnerability. I think that the non tinted windows helps symbolize that Gatsby is vulnerable. The idea that he is open to observation makes him more vulnerable.
Anonymous said…
I don't think the man with the molar cufflinks is using it as intimidation or as a show of power. I think it's a desperate attempt to be interesting. He hangs around people like Gatsby who is well known for being interesting and mysterious, and this guy is going for attention. Nick didn't notice them until he pointed them out, so it seems like an attention grab.
"'I see you're looking at my cuff buttons.'
I hadn't been looking at them, but I did now."
Anonymous said…
Oh, another thing about the shirts. They seem similar to his parties is their color and variety. In both of these things, he is trying to fill his life with color and happiness, but it is all a facade and fake.
Anonymous said…
A theme that has become prevalent in the book is that people use their wealth and power to cover their insecurities. Mr. Wolfsheim has cuff links that are made from human teeth, "I see you're looking at my cuff buttons." I hadn't been looking at them, but I did now [Nick says]. . . . "Finest specimens of human molars," he informed [Nick]. He does this as a warning to people around him that he is not to be messed with.
Julia B said…
To answer Kate's question about Mr. Wolfsheim, I think it shows that Mr. Wolfsheim wants power but doesn't have it without having to act intimidating. Often people who actually have power don't have to show off to gain it, so Wolfsheim wearing the teeth indicates his want for a power he doesn't naturally have. Fitzgerald illustrates Wolfsheim: "A small, flat-nosed Jew raised his large head and regarded me with two fine growths of hair which luxuriated in either nostril" (60). It's interesting that Fitzgerald explains Wolfsheim like this because he is described as small but with a big head. This indicates he is small but has a big ego.
Anonymous said…
How are all of the relationships in this book different?
Vince I. said…
To answer Sawyer's question, I agree that Fitzgerald portrays Gatsby's experiences in the Great War because of his desires that he never accomplished. The Great War had ended before Fitzgerald could "show the world" what he could do. Fitzgerald wanted to so many things in his life, but he was never able to fulfill his dreams. I believe that's why Fitzgerald continued to write about Gatsby's successes in his life. Furthermore, Fitzgerald dropped out of Princeton, but he described Gatsby as being educated from Oxford, both renowned schools. I believe that Fitzgerald is somewhat living his dream life through Gatsby.
Kristin A. said…
I'm answering Micah's question, How does Gatsby’s love for Daisy stand out from the love that we see in the other characters?
“He hadn’t once ceased looking at Daisy, and I think he revalued everything in his house according to the measure of response it drew from her well-loved eyes. Sometimes, too, he stared around at his possessions in a dazed way, as though in her actual and astounding presence none of it was any longer real” (Fitzgerald 116).
In Great Gatsby so far, the relationships we've seen are not quite healthy or loving, and the people in these relationships are not invested in being a good partner or keeping the relationship together. This is contradictory to Gatsby and Daisy, however, even though they're not in a relationship currently. Gatsby is obviously in love with Daisy, and we know that they have a history together as a couple. He would do anything to have Daisy with him in a relationship, and whether or not this qualifies as love, he is willing to go the extra mile for her.
Vince I. said…
What do you guys think Gatsby's friendship with Wolfsheim implies about his own background?
Anonymous said…
For Tom and Myrtle, they love each other more than their spouses, but it is really still about them and having someone to buy things for them or show off to other people. "Making a short deft movement, Tom Buchanan broke her [Myrtle's] nose" (37).
For Nick and Jordan, they like each other’s company and are good friends and the relationship is more casual and convenient. "I had no girl whose disembodied face floated along the dark cornices and blinding signs, and so I drew up the girl beside me" (81).
For Daisy and Gatsby, love was a long lost things between them that Gatsby is hoping to find again to brighten his life
Anonymous said…
@Paige Every relationship in the novel is different in some way. The main thing that is different between them is the love present. In Daisy and Tom´s relationship, they do not seem to truly love each other. Tom is having an affair that Daisy seems to know about, but instead of confronting him, she chooses to be a fool and be oblivious. It seems as though their relationship could end at any point. Tom and Myrtle´s relationship is interesting. They seem to like being around each other more than Daisy and Tom. They seem more careless and wild when together. Then Gatsby and Daisy´s relationship seems more special. They were both so nervous when they first saw each other, showing they still care for each other. Even though it has been so long, they still love each other. They seem to like each other way more than Tom and Daisy ever will.
Anonymous said…
@Paige Does tom really love Mrs. Wilson more than daisy? I mean he broke her nose when she said daisy's name... that doesn't really sound like love...
Anonymous said…
To something Vince said, in the very beginning Nick says about the war that, "I enjoyed the counter-raid so thoroughly that I came back restless." I think very few people that actually fought in WWI would have said they thoroughly enjoyed it.
Anonymous said…
What about Gatsby makes Nick see in a different and brighter light? The first time we get a glimpse of the Valley of Ashes it seemed dark and very dreary, though when Gatsby and Nick drove through it, the Valley seemed more wide and lifelike. "Then the Valley of Ashes opened out on both sides of us... with fenders spread like wings we scattered light through half of Astoria"(Fitzgerald 86).
Julia B said…
Answering Lilly's question about the clocks, I think when Gatsby knocks the clock over, it shows the clumsiness at his attempt to turn back time and get back together with Daisy. Fitzgerald quotes: "Luckily the clock took this moment to tilt dangerously at the pressure of his head, whereupon he turned and caught it with trembling fingers, and set it back in place" (74). Fitzgerald portrays Gatsby as putting the clock back with trembling fingers. This could potentially be foreshadowing to Gatsby's inability to turn back time and win Daisy over. Daisy knows Tom is having an affair but still doesn't leave, showing her loyalty to him. I predict that ultimately, Daisy will not leave Tom because she doesn't want to have to face change and unpredictability.
Anonymous said…
I feel like the green light symbolizes Gatsby's love and patience. Always, through everything, Gatsby is just on the other side of the bay, just like the light.
Anonymous said…
To connect with my last comment, how special Daisy and Gatsby´s relationship is, is demonstrated by the quote, ¨But there was a change in Gatsby that was simply confounding. He literally glowed; without a work or a gesture of exultation a new well-being readiarted from him and filled the little room¨ (90). Once he got over being nervous, Gatsby realized how special Daisy was to him and how special it was. But the change between how Daisy feels with Tom vs with Gatsby is shown by the quote, ¨And I hope she´ll be a fool-that's the best thing a girl can be in this world, a beautiful little fool¨ (17). Instead of addressing the faults in her and Tom´s relationship, Daisy chooses to ignore them. She chooses to be a fool because she cannot be herself in the relationship; however, when with Gatsby, she is able to be herself.